Space Center Oral History Project
Edited Oral History Transcript
Interviewed by Sandra Johnson
Houston, Texas – 19 October 2015
is October 19th, 2015. This interview with Terry Wilcutt is being
conducted in Houston, Texas, for the JSC Oral History Project and
for JSC’s Knowledge Management Office. Interviewer is Sandra
Johnson. I want to thank you for joining us again today.
going to talk today about your first mission if you don’t mind.
Your first assignment was as the pilot for STS-68 in 1994. When did
you first learn about that assignment and how did that come about?
probably learned about it the night before they were going to announce
it. That’s usually what they did. The Chief of the Office at
the time I think was Dan [Daniel C.] Brandenstein. I don’t remember
when he came in and asked me if I would do the mission. That’s
what they do, they come in, and basically what I got for all my missions
was the same thing. “We’re going to announce the crew
the next day, we’ve selected you as the pilot.” It’s
like right out of the movies. “Are you willing to accept the
mission? Are you willing to do that?” Of course no one that
I ever heard of ever refused one of those. We’re all thrilled.
Then of course the next thing you want to know is, “Who am I
flying with and what are we doing?” They give you that, then
the next day they make the announcement.
you have a feeling before that, who you’d be flying with, before
I think some of the folks in my class tracked mission by mission and
looked at how many seats might be available. But frankly there were
so many different combinations and possibilities, I never worried
about that. I was happy that I’d been in the [Astronaut] Office
about four years—by the time we flew it was four years. That
was much better than some of the classes in front of us where the
manifest had been slow enough that there was a long time before people
flew their first flight. My particular class was pretty lucky about
that. The manifest got us into space earlier than normal, which is
a good thing.
was a Mission to Planet Earth flight. Talk about the training because
of the Earth observation and the amount of photography that you were
going to be doing on that flight. You also were splitting your time,
it was running 24 hours, so you could do [the Earth observations].
If you want to talk about that training and how much you knew about
that, because [Mission to Planet Earth] flew earlier that year, the
flew a few months earlier than us. Gosh, it was busy, but it was just
a great flight. The training was magnificent. A lot of Earth observations,
a lot of camerawork. I don’t remember the total, but 15,000
sticks in my mind. We took an incredible amount of photos. One of
the things that everybody enjoys when they go to space is looking
out the window. We were being paid to do that. It was just wonderful.
Plus, our altitude was lower. I think we were about 115 miles up from
Earth. You’d have to check that, but it’s pretty close
to that. The Space Station missions are up around 200, Hubble around
300. Being that close, there was a lot more detail available. It was
I met just some of the most dedicated Earth observations scientists
that you could imagine. It was a thrill getting to know them. Those
people I’ve respected and loved my entire career since I met
them. They were just so knowledgeable. It was important that we be
able to recognize certain sites on the ground. We just went through
thousands and thousands of photos that had been taken from space to
recognize these critical points where they had people on the ground
to take measurements to serve as truth data later on after we finished.
It was great.
Training was busy. The other thing about being on split shifts when
we got to space, all we had was the Orbiter. We didn’t have
a lab to go with. Being on split shifts, usually there were only three
of you up at a time, except for the little overlap period between
the shifts. That meant just three people to share all the room in
the Shuttle instead of six or seven, which is a lot of elbows and
knees and feet floating around. It was just great.
Training was great, the mission was great, and the people I got to
fly with were great too. Good thing.
experts that you were talking about, did they come here to train you?
Or did you go to different sites to train where they were?
came here to show us the pictures, and then we went off to different
sites too. We made a trip to the Sierras [Sierra Nevada Mountains,
California] during the winter, up to Mammoth Mountain, to Death Valley,
where they would explain what they were looking for for science. It
was just fascinating. I don’t think anyone could go through
that training or work with those people or listen to them talk about
the science without becoming an Earth obs fan and scholar. It was
they trying to compare from that previous mission, STS-59, because
it was different times of the year too? So were you looking for different
of it, that’s right, the radar could tell you a lot of things
about what was going on in the Earth. It could determine the moisture
content in the snowpack to predict how much water Southern California
would have or anyplace else in the world that depended on snowmelt.
The moisture content in crops, moisture content in the soil, so you
could predict crop yields. See below the surface of the Earth if it’s
particularly dry sand, look for earthquake fault zones. I think originally
they had hoped to get a spring measurement in [STS-]59 and then we
were going to take a fall measurement on 68. Then they would compare
it and see if you could determine any differences using the [Space]
Radar Lab [SRL-2] of the state of the plants.
were talking about the photography. Did they train you on specific
types of cameras? Or was it the normal cameras that the Shuttle always
carried? Or were there some specific things that you did?
think a couple of them they normally carried. Gosh, I don’t
remember the name, it’s been so long, the really large [format
Linhof] camera that we mounted in the window. Then we would position
to catch the shot of the ground. Then we used a regular Hasselblad
and then a 35-millimeter also. Mostly the 35-millimeter was for in-cabin
shots. With Earth obs it would be the Hasselblad and then the large
’94 this was all film, correct?
all of it.
a lot of film to take up with you and bring down.
was. If you’ve got it, we felt we should burn it up. I’d
be surprised if we left any film that was left unexposed.
you been interested in photography before that? Or was that something
that was new?
the usual family shots. Certainly I hadn’t been interested in
photography from space, but the photographers we had, they were great
teachers themselves. They certainly impressed upon us to take a lot
of pictures and that you don’t get to go back and redo it, so
take a lot. You learn how to take pictures so the ones you bring back
are good, because that’s what you’re going to remember
on all your missions was the good time you had with your friends and
whatever you took a picture of. Plus, the scientists were depending
on us to take good photos of the Earth. It was good training and I
think all of us took it to heart.
those the NASA photographers that were teaching you?
you remember who any of those might have been?
of them, Don [C.] Carico. He was one of the instructors. I can picture
the other ones, but I can’t think of their names right now.
there anything about that mission other than it was your first mission
and you were the pilot? Anything specific about that mission that
stood out in your mind about any of the experiences? Maybe that first
time actually finally getting to space.
of it was something. I think we were the last pad abort that they
had, on that mission. The main engines lit and then they light six
seconds before liftoff to give the onboard computers time to make
sure they’re working perfectly before they let the solid rockets
light. Our main engines lit, and then less than two seconds before
liftoff the onboard software detected a problem with one of the engines
and shut it down, so we got to experience a pad abort. Once you light
the engines they have to be removed and cleaned up, prepped for reinstallation,
or you have to take someone else’s engines to put in. I think
that’s what they did for us was they took the engines from the
next mission while they refurbished ours to give to them. We launched
a few weeks after the original planned launch date.
Of course the ride to space was pretty phenomenal. That was just like
you would expect it to be with over 7 million pounds of thrust. The
simulators can only do so much to make it seem like you’re in
that environment. The Orbiter during solid rocket flight, the first
two minutes, there was a lot of vibration, more than you would think.
You’re just so happy to be there that it was just one of those
“Wow, feel that!”
Then after two minutes of course the solids are finished, they’re
kicked off. Then three main engines the rest of the way. That was
smooth as glass. Inside the Astronaut Office we talked to each other
about what surprised us. Jim [James D.] Halsell in my class had flown
just before me. He had come down to my class, and he said, “Here’s
the things that surprised me.” Frankly, it was just as he described
it, every single one of those things. Including the 3-Gs [force of
gravity] through the chest the last 30 seconds, what that was like,
and then when the engines cut off and now you’re weightless,
what that felt like, and then some other things during the mission.
He did me a big favor, but the office always takes care of each other
like that, so it was a good thing.
you have any problem with weightlessness or any problems feeling ill?
I’m one of the fortunate people that I don’t get ill when
I go to space or when I come back. It’s not anything you can
take credit for. You’re either born with that or you’re
not. Again I’m one of the lucky ones that didn’t.
about those teams and who you were on the team with and how you all
split up the work and maybe passed on information from one team to
build in turnover, you have presleep and they have postsleep. You
go through those activities. At the same time there’s of course
allocated time to turn over, hey, here’s where we are, this
is what’s coming up next, this is what happened today. That
worked well. We worked two shifts. My shiftmates were the commander,
Mike [Michael A.] Baker and Jeff [K.] Wisoff, and then the other crew
was Steve [Steven L.] Smith and Tom [Thomas D.] Jones and Dan [Daniel
W.] Bursch. The crew was just filled with people that are just some
of the nicest folks in the office, so it was a lot of fun. Very dedicated
professional crew. It was truly enjoyable.
It was busy though. I think during the sims [simulations] when we
were simming crew shifts, the other folks would be around there getting
the benefit of what we were doing in the sims. When you’re up
there and there really is only three of you and you’ve got to
take care of the Orbiter plus do maneuvers plus run the cameras, then
it was busier than what I thought it would be. Maybe that was just
being in space. It was just different. But we kept up with it and
were glad to do it.
landed in California, didn’t you, at Edwards [Air Force Base]?
We weren’t supposed to. Bad weather at KSC [Kennedy Space Center,
Florida]. I think low clouds. They took us into California. Of course
we didn’t care. Somebody was there to greet us and take us back
to Houston. That was it.
it was a lake bed or a runway didn’t matter to you.
is pretty out there. Is there anything else about that mission you
can think about or anything specific that you remember?
really. We had some other things that were good experiments. MAPS,
Measurement of Air Pollution from Satellites, that measured carbon
monoxide around the atmosphere, so you could determine the source
of it. It doesn’t do you any good to sign treaties that say,
“Hey, we won’t put any more carbon in the atmosphere than
this,” if you can’t measure it and see whether they’re
violating the treaty or not. That was a success.
I think we had a protein crystal growth experiment, which was a big
thing at the time, structure-based drug design. Most flights I think
had that payload on there, it was a nice thing to be a part of. Then
we had a small plant growth experiment on there. Then Steve Smith
and I had an experiment, something to do with balance or motion sickness
in space that we attached a lot of electrical leads to ourselves and
looked at different targets or moving things to see what that would
do to us.
you tried to make yourself have motion sickness?
I remember, it did, but it didn’t bother either one of us like
that. If you do it after you adapt, I think it would probably have
less effect than if you did it as soon as you got up there. The people
that do have problems with that, that seems after the first day most
of that is gone and they’re okay.
Then there was a balance experiment where they put you in something
like a phone booth and the floor tilts or jerks and you’re blindfolded
to see if you can maintain your balance. You do that pre flight and
then post flight to see how your balance has been affected when you
come back from space. That was another interesting experiment.
I heard something on the radio today where they were looking at—I
think it was one of the researchers on that experiment has developed
a scale that you stand on and it can detect the fine movements you
make to maintain your balance, and it gives you a score. If you get
a poor score, you don’t seem to have as much balance. Say you’re
an elderly person with balance problems, then that might be the day
that you want to take a cane with you or use some other device to
keep your balance. It cuts down your likelihood of taking a spill
and perhaps breaking a hip.
you would have every day that you could test yourself on.
a fallout from that lady’s work here at JSC on that balance
experiment. It was pretty interesting to hear that just this morning
driving to work.
is interesting. It does make you feel, I would imagine, like the work
you’re doing and that NASA is doing in space does have applications
on Earth, even though sometimes people don’t realize exactly
how it affects their lives.
think you see that all the time. It just takes so long to get those
things to market. But it does, almost everything we do up there has
some benefit down here on the planet. It’s a good thing.
But the mission was a tremendous amount of fun. We did good work.
I’m just happy that in my career I got to do an Earth science
mission, because of course the other ones were to Mir [Russian Space
Station] and to [the International] Space Station. I feel good about
though you had that math background, Earth science was important to
Like I said, they make you a believer. They’re so dedicated.
Gosh, the Earth is so beautiful up there. To spend a whole mission
looking at it, trying to take data for scientists and engineers was
would imagine you’re getting paid to actually take pictures
from up there, that would be pretty good.
don’t want to keep you. It’s a little after 2:00. If you
want to we can stop and then we can let you get on with what you were
going to do today.
we’ll talk again soon.
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